Iron Duke 12:31 Sat Nov 9
Shakespeare
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I went to see Romeo and Juliet tonight. A load of bollocks isn’t it?
I don’t think people really enjoy his plays. They just pretend to like them to make themselves look intellectual.
There are several reasons why his plays are shit.
1. They go on and on. Just get to the fucking point.
2. They talk in riddles.
3. The jokes aren’t funny.
4. The acting is so fucking over the top.
Apart from that, I found it a bit disturbing that Juliet is only 13 years old. Basically, Romeo is a paedo.
*Awaits splat.
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Nurse Ratched
12:37 Sat Nov 9
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Where did you see it?
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Iron Duke
12:46 Sat Nov 9
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In Harlow. I took my daughter (who is also 13) because I thought it might help her with her GCSE’s next year, seeing as Shakespeare is imposed on every student in this land.
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Alfie
12:58 Sat Nov 9
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Iron duke - why sayest one word when ten can follow the third?
Thee and thine and elaborate words
Playful lexicon like weighty turds
tell prey where didst canst thou seen & sine this vignette -
this fetch -
this etch a sketch??
Wast it ast thy Basildone Townegayte Theater ?
The jib is the jab - mores the merrier: evil knievel: cottage farrier.
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Gavros
1:00 Sat Nov 9
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Never been hugely into it, but you cant help but be impressed with the opening of Richard III and the St Crispians day speech in Henry V. Im sure theres loads more.
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Iron Duke
1:00 Sat Nov 9
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That is brilliant.
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Iron Duke
1:01 Sat Nov 9
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That was to Alfie.
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Gavros
1:02 Sat Nov 9
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Agreed.
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gph
1:03 Sat Nov 9
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No age is given to Romeo.
He might also be 13, or a touch older.
Kids fucking each other might be undesirable, but is it paedophilia?
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Iron Duke
1:20 Sat Nov 9
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It was all different then I suppose. Does anyone actually enjoy watching his plays though? I’ve tried but I just don’t get it.
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Alfie
2:09 Sat Nov 9
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I had to learn his entire works sir - ncluding the sonnets - as part of my studies sir. Part of my apprenticeship if you will.
I developed an aversion to the bard - as strong as Eddie the Eagle Edwards reading glasses.
During this period id have rather run into the naked haemmoraging core of Chernobyl with my erect cock leading the way to the incandescent core & rested my naked bell tip on bubbling nuclear waste than consume another syllable of bill shakespeares ouvre.
I feel that i know bill intimately - as the undertaker knows rigor mortis.
Juice of accursed hebona - poured into the porches of mine ears
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Iron Duke
2:14 Sat Nov 9
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Did you develop Stockholm Syndrome over this time? Maybe that is the answer to my question.
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bruuuno
2:50 Sat Nov 9
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Hate it as I do with the vast majority of poetry. I am by no means uncultured but I find it to be BOLLOCKS
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Leeshere
2:52 Sat Nov 9
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I’ve always liked the tragedies, Hamlet, Othello, The Merchant of Venice. Al Pacino played Shylock in a pretty good film version that is worth checking out.
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Alfs
3:18 Sat Nov 9
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This is an interesting question that I've often discussed.
For a start, Shakespeare's plays shouldn't be introduced into the curriculum until University level. Sure, you can teach the younger ones who he was and maybe do the odd scene but getting them to study a whole play at 15 is pointless as 90% won't have a fucking clue of what's going on.
Their were other very brilliant writers from that period, before and after. Should Shakespeare have the monopoly?
Saying all that, when Shakespeare is done well, it can be an elecrifying experience.
The fact that he goes on and on is very true. Ben Elton constantly takes the piss out of this in his sitcom, Upstart Crow - which is very funny if you haven't seen it.
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AdamL
3:21 Sat Nov 9
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Point 4 is odd - he can’t exactly help the quality of the acting can he?
Some of his plays have had very good modern treatments. Obviously things need to be updated a few centuries later and anyone staging it as written, without changing any dialogue or direction is a little crazy.
The Zeffirelli Romeo and Juliet is an excellent movie. Baz Luhrmann’s version was good too. Shakespeare in Love is absolutely fantastic. R&J is great when adapted well.
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Darby_
3:31 Sat Nov 9
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I think I saw a couple of Shakespeares when I was at school and liked them, although by that stage I sort of knew the plays so understood a lot of the ornate and archaic language. It probably depends on who's putting on the play as well.
Stories like Hamlet, King Lear and Macbeth do have a sort of evocative quality that sticks in your mind.
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Bungo
8:00 Sat Nov 9
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I'd go further. I share Robert Elms' view.
The problem with theatres is that they're full of actors, acting.
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Far Cough
8:35 Sat Nov 9
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St Crispians Day speech is indeed good
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lowermarshhammer
8:47 Sat Nov 9
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Undisputed heavyweight king of the English idiom.
Absolutely detested it at school and Dickens was almost as bad. Characterisation that just goes on and on and on and on and on.
Shakespeare and Dickens really put me off reading for a long time and deep down are probably the reason why I still prefer non fiction over fiction as a rule.
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Far Cough
9:09 Sat Nov 9
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Although not Shakespeare, A Man for All Seasons could well be, it has incredible dialogue and acting, Paul Scofield was one of the greatest ever actors
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